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An Open Letter on Locker Room Etiquette

The first in a series of articles explaining the etiquettes of various social situations. I would have hoped that most of these were obvious, but clearly they are not.


To the members of my gym,

I am going to share a few general rules that, if we all follow them, will make the locker room a much more enjoyable place for everyone.

... On your desire to be naked.

Either put some clothes on or wrap yourself in a towel. Unless you're a woman (and, honestly, from the looks of it, maybe some of you really are), you shouldn't be prancing around the men's locker room naked. This rule is even more important if you are fat and/or old.

Look - if I wanted to see a naked fat man, I would look in a mirror in the privacy of my own home.

And if you must insist on walking around naked, there are a few things you could at least refrain from doing.

First of all, please fight the urge to stretch. I don't know what your trainer told you, but you won't get a better hamstring stretch by being naked. The sight of a fat, old naked man touching his toes is one that no one should be subjected to.

Also, please stay out of the sauna and steam room when you are naked. This isn't your home. Even if you feel the need to be "unsheathed", you can at least sit on a towel. Honestly, I don't need your bare ass all over the sauna.

... On using the bathroom

It seems some of you feel the need to do your nastiest work in the locker room bathroom. I guess if you have to go, you have to go, and running on the treadmill only expedites the process.

But at least wash your damned hands afterwards. Seriously, is that too much to ask?

I still can't understand why you don't wash your hands in normal situations, but this environment calls for even greater care. I don't need you taking a nasty dump and then touching the weights. Oh, and if you were wondering, this is why I said "no" when you asked if you could work in on the machine.

... On using the hair dryer

Repeat after me: The hair dryer is for the hair on your head. The hair dryer is not for your pubic hair.

It is also not for your feet, regardless of how hairy they may be.

... On your choice of lockers

It seems almost inevitable that when there are two people in the locker room, they will be at adjacent lockers. If it works out that way, there's not much we can do about it.

You can, however, help prevent this unfortunate situation when you walk into an otherwise empty locker room - don't pick the locker next to me. I have to tell you - when you do, it's a bit creepy.

... On use of the hamper (or the lack thereof)

The bins with all the dirty towels are hampers. Please use them. I'd rather not have to touch the dirty towel you just dried your ass, feet and unwashed hands with.

Sincerely,
Tim

Only published comments... Jul 14 2004, 12:56 PM by Tim

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TrackBack said:

July 14, 2004 12:56 PM
 

NakedOldMan said:

Some attempts to visualize the things said in this post can cause brain damage. Really.

Great post. Better than Rory !

*Laughing my ass out in the sauna*
July 14, 2004 1:53 PM
 

SBC said:

LOL!!
"if I wanted to see a naked fat man, I would look in a mirror in the privacy of my own home."
You are certainly honest and humorous!
July 15, 2004 5:23 AM
 

Bravo20 said:

This needs to be published and spread throughout the land. Here's one more:
...on your eyes in the locker room
If you're getting changed or cleaned up, do your business and go about your day. If I look up and see you staring at me in a strange way, I reserve the right to toss your ass into a locker and leave you there.
July 15, 2004 5:44 AM
 

brady gaster said:

egads... so so so true. *shiver*
July 15, 2004 10:55 AM
   

TrackBack said:

July 19, 2004 2:30 PM
 

Jim said:

You guys are so paranoid - of course there are guys checking you out (you look at the better built ones) - and you probably do the same thing - you're just to uptight to admit it - and the guys checking you out are more than likely NOT gay - they are paranoid uptight guys like yourself wondering if they measure up to the next guy. Most guys who are comfortable with their bodies and their sexuality aren't worried if some other guy is checking them out - in fact, they're flattered. So get over it, or stay out of locker rooms!

BTW, the fact that you are so worried shows you have issues, i.e. latent homosexuality.
October 5, 2004 2:04 PM
 

Tim Marman said:

I think you're missing the point. I never said anyone is "checking me out", nor did I say I was checking anyone else out.

I just prefer not to have fat, old guys doing stretches naked or sitting around in the sauna bare ass. I would say the same thing about a fat, old woman.

It's not a sexuality issue... believe me.
October 5, 2004 2:42 PM
 

Bravo20 said:

Yeah, sorry, but forget whether it's the locker room, or the subway, or the street corner. The only issue I have is that I just don't like creepy people staring at me!
October 5, 2004 5:06 PM
 

TrackBack said:

In keeping with the toilet-humour oft-found on Mad Props, Tim Marman presents An Open Letter on Locker...
February 23, 2005 11:19 PM
 

Rob said:

So what are the ideal/ best practised Locker-Room Etiquette according to you? It is a serious question and I am asking you being a novice in the field of health surveys.
February 25, 2005 6:17 PM
 

Mikey said:

I don't think it's a problem, who care. Being naked is great especially in locker room. Because that's where you can walk around naked all the time. Naked is like freedom, it's good to be naked. Shower with another guy in front of you does't matter. You know you're just have to remember that being naked is just like making out with your girlfriend both are naked.
March 4, 2005 2:50 PM
   

TrackBack said:

March 7, 2005 8:26 AM
 

Gym Rat said:

In the steam and sauna rooms, you're supposed to be naked (at least, on the men's side of things). You obviously have issues with people & public places. Get over yourself, and go complain to your Mother for having toilet-training you much too early in life.
May 8, 2005 5:12 AM
 

Mike said:

Really the issue is if a guy is gay sometimes he can;t help but stare, just like regular guys can't help but stare at certain women sometimes.
May 20, 2005 4:07 AM
 

Cindy said:

I feel sorry for you guys. My husband also complains about guys who walk around the men's locker room naked. But make no mistake, we have just as much of that if not even more of it in the women's locker room! Trust me, any woman who has spent a lot of time in a women's locker room would tell you about how many women will blow-dry their hair or put on their makeup standing completely nude from head to toe in front of the mirrors. Or the women that like to walk up to other women who are complete strangers and start a conversation while standing there totally nude. I have seen the 20-something girls who like to strut around nude even stand there nude while talking to an elderly grandmother and her little grandaughters, giving the girls a bit of an early course in female anatomy. I think the main difference is that straight men do not want to see other guys naked in the locker room. Whereas I don't think it bothers most of us women, at least I know it doesn't bother me anyway. If the woman has a really bad body I just don't look at her, and at the same time it can actually even be nice to see a woman with a cute little butt walk by, or a perky pair of breasts. You see we like to be able to compare ourselves with the competition so to speak. But don't get to excited about that guys, it doesn't go beyond looking!
August 4, 2005 9:51 PM
 

Cindy said:

I feel sorry for you guys. My husband also complains about guys who walk around the men's locker room naked. But make no mistake, we have just as much of that if not even more of it in the women's locker room! Trust me, any woman who has spent a lot of time in a women's locker room would tell you about how many women will blow-dry their hair or put on their makeup standing completely nude from head to toe in front of the mirrors. Or the women that like to walk up to other women who are complete strangers and start a conversation while standing there totally nude. I have seen the 20-something girls who like to strut around nude even stand there nude while talking to an elderly grandmother and her little grandaughters, giving the girls a bit of an early course in female anatomy. I think the main difference is that straight men do not want to see other guys naked in the locker room. Whereas I don't think it bothers most of us women, at least I know it doesn't bother me anyway. If the woman has a really bad body I just don't look at her, and at the same time it can actually even be nice to see a woman with a cute little butt walk by, or a perky pair of breasts. You see we like to be able to compare ourselves with the competition so to speak. But don't get to excited about that guys, it doesn't go beyond looking!
August 4, 2005 9:52 PM
 

Jerry said:

You guys have a problem IMO. If you don't want to see naked guys stay the hell out of locker rooms. So, we're not suppose to be concerned with modesty when changing into gym clothes or taking a shower but god forbid that I should walk back from the shower room to my locker, Jacuzzi, steam room, scale or wherever and not be wrapped in a towel. I feel perfectly at ease being naked anywhere in the locker room. I will continue to shower, steam, Jacuzzi and sauna in the nude. Sorry, but whatever you see is because your the one doing the looking. 90% of the people at my gym do as I do. Based on my experience you are definitely in the minority.
September 9, 2005 10:58 PM
 

Kiersten said:

If you feel uncomfortable around people in the nude then maybe you shouldn't be staring at them and let them do what they please. Keeping your personal space in mind. It's a free country you know.
February 2, 2006 2:23 PM
 

James Petersen said:

What up with seeing men nude in the locker room. Grant it, I personally do agree that many men do make morons of themselves by walking around nude in the locker room nude let alone wearing a speedo bathing suit at the beach, with their beer barrel or spare tire hanging over but at the sametime.On the other hand  I have  seen plenty skinny, scranny boys in their 20's and 30's who are 30 pounds under weight who should be completely be clothed even in their own home. I have to agree with Kiersten, if you do not feel comfortable with seeing middle age men prancing around nude in the locker room then do not look. When I see something on tv that I don't like I turn off the television and don't watch. I do not waist my time writing a letter to the station becuase they are showing something I do not particularly like. I would like to take the time out and remind Tim and their elk that they have the freedom to discuss these things and the freedom to attend Gay events in this country because this man who is prancing around naked in the locker room and myself had the guts to question the Republican and Democratic establishment. Believe me boys, you freedom came at a personal price and these men should be thanked and congradulated for their courage to speak out in the 1960's and the 1970's and it really sickens me that the Gay, straight and liberal estabishment is throwing these men a side because they are not Greek Gods. Believe me boys, you are not and I repeat most of you are not Greek Gods. So get over it and enjoy the scenery.
March 1, 2006 8:26 PM
 

steve delaney said:

What a nonsensical issue.  What do you think locker rooms are for?  If you think nudity isn't natural in a locker room, for goodness sake, you have a distorted idea of what a locker room is for.  I agree that men should sit on towels in the sauna or steam, but in the YMCAs I go to that is standard practice.  I have seen men who are loudmouths showing off, but they do that with or without clothes, in my experience.  Much of the objections to locker room nudity come about because of our society's obsession with youth and good looks.    The same complaints are often heard about public beaches; the most common comments are about people who are less attractive according to the current stereotypes advocating big breasts or washboard abs.  Young people, who have been indoctrinated with these ideas and have no better examples, are the worst offenders.  We should all learn to be more accepting of others' imperfections and not be soo disturbed by what we find unattractive.  I repeat, what do you think locker rooms are for?
March 31, 2006 12:33 PM
 

murray fischer said:

as a slightly overweight man who has an occasion to get changed in locker rooms 1 am just there to get dressed and don't want to be made to feel uncomfortable because i am a little out of shape...if you don't like what you see don't look.I go to a nude beach in Vancouver Canada...there's all shapes and sizes there...if you're going to a locker room to stand around and look hot I think you're going for the wrong reason...you should come to our beach and socialize with seniors, straight families and all kinds of people..   I met a woman there that was seventy eight.I don't know where you live but if you ever get to Vancouver Canada you must check out wreck beach with us it's a non sexual beach
July 7, 2006 1:22 AM
 

murray fischer said:

we  go to wreck beach all the time with straight guys and we're gay! they don't give a *** why should you?
July 7, 2006 1:26 AM
 

murray fischer said:

I mean how cool is a beach where gay guys and straight guys can sit around naked and it's no big deal...(it really isn't )
July 7, 2006 1:31 AM
 

phillip mc kenzie said:

From my point of view, everyone should be free - within the limits of not disturbing others as staring or whatver- in the locker room about being naked or not. However, one should not completely feel himself as if he is at his home. Wandering around naked is unnecessary, but as I have observed, mostly middle aged or older men wander around naked. I think it has something to do with their losing their masculinity and they try to show us that they are still men ! For gay men, as long as they do not bother anyone by staring or by any appropriate behavior, they have right to be in Men's Locker Room. I think they feel more uncomfortable than we as straight men do.

August 27, 2006 8:02 AM
 

Colin Mounstephen said:

I think guys that the reason why lockerrooms are segregated is that nudity is acceptable amongst your own sex but not the oppostie sex.  I know some gay guys like the lockerroom to see all the meat on display and maybe get a little action but hey its a free country.  As long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses.

January 5, 2007 4:57 PM
 

NY Yankees Fan said:

First off I don't know how I found this but I read what every one said.  

I'm 23 year old male and work out every day ,I play baseball and football, So i'm always in the locker room . I see alote of people shie when It comes to the locker room and being nude . I walk around nude in the locker room and so does alote of my team mates Its funny as hell to see someone shie and showering with there swim trunks on  . I think to myself if your shie being nude around abounch of dueds how can you be naked with a girl??????? Its not gay nore is it wired to walk around the locker room nude ,IT IS A LOCKER ROOM RIGHT? Tim it soungs like your scared of what I don't know or your a catcher and i'm not meaning a baseball catcher . Silly faget dicks are for chicks .

March 17, 2007 12:31 AM
 

Dan Pytko said:

"Gymnasium" is from the Greek meaning a place to be naked.      

April 24, 2007 9:37 PM
 

Het Up about Movie said:

Beyond the Practice Room (TV)

June 4, 2007 12:20 PM
 

kieth said:

naked in locker rooms .

i often go to the gym with frends or to sauna on male only days . taking showers is no big deal in front of each other ,and when we go sauna we use towel to sit on . being naked in front of male frends or work collegers , so what , we there to enjoy and use the sauna , being naked no big deal . who notices , i dont , get a life ??

June 17, 2007 7:10 AM
 

Edwin said:

I tinks we shold arl bend over naked in da locker room and show him me ting.

July 6, 2007 4:56 AM
 

JOE said:

When I go to the locker room I expect  to see naked guys there. If they are looking at me I figure they are just sizing me up.  

July 28, 2007 1:27 AM
 

Johan said:

I have been a member of various health clubs since 18.What amazes me over the last couple of decades,is how the younger dudes are so uptight about nudity. I have seen the young guys change in the toilet stalls, go home in totally wet boardshorts, change under towels, and take soap showers with their boxers on.Are they so afraid someone might see their penis, and they will turn gay?I just don't get it.

August 19, 2007 11:57 AM
 

Tim said:

Jonah, I think it's all about balance. Most of us don't change in the stalls, but most of us also don't want to be sitting on the bench and look up at a man's ass 12 inches from our faces.

August 19, 2007 12:08 PM
 

Johan said:

I agree about the balance,Tim. On the opposite side their are guys(usually older and out of shape) who  stand in front of the mirror, over an hour grooming  while buck naked.Who wants that next to them when  you wash your hands?Or walking around nude while using the dryers, or urinals.I quess I am middle of the road,when in the locker room.I dress and undress quickly at my locker,wrap a towel around me ,and then hit the showers.If someone sees me nude ,no big deal, I quess the point I am trying to make the last few posts, is that it seems to be a generational thing in regards to nudity. I know their are exceptions to these generalizations.Being middle age I seem to fit in the middle.

August 20, 2007 8:49 PM
 

Dean said:

What's the big deal? My God, if we can't be naked in the locker room, where can we be naked. Look, the locker room is for men to shower and change. We all have the same equipment. Just chill. My gym changed from male only saunas to co-ed. This meant we all had to have a bathing suit to go to the sauna. What a pain! It was so much easier to just go and sit on a towel. Yeah, I saw the guys' packages, but so what? I had the same thing between my legs.

September 14, 2007 11:09 PM
 

Billy said:

The guy posted this because he sits around worrying about naked men. So they should make a rule limiting how naked you can be? "NO EXPOSING PUBIC AREA FOR MORE THAN 5 MIN." This is one dude seriously in denial. WHEN YOU SIT AROUND STRESSING ABOUT (NAKED) MEN THAT MEANS YOU'RE GAY.... NOT THEM!

September 30, 2007 8:55 AM
 

Tim said:

Most of you are completely missing the point. As I said several times already, this is about common courtesy not sexuality.

September 30, 2007 9:47 AM
 

JimmyTheKid said:

When I go into the locker room I expect to see naked men.  In fact, I expect to see lots of naked men.  However I do NOT expect to see someone's balls all over the sink area as they're shaving/grooming naked or, as Tim rightly points out, doing naked stretching.  

October 2, 2007 12:34 AM
 

JockBoy said:

It kind of sounds like you may have some issues with your sexuality.  Most guys that I see in the locker room aren't paying NEARLY as much attention to each other as you seem to be paying attention to the other men in your locker room.  Just curious...did you have an overly controlling mother or something?  If it bothers you that much, why don't you find a gym with a "family-style" locker area?  You need to seriously chill!!!

October 27, 2007 1:16 AM
 

marky said:

who cares? whats the big deal? some of your subtopics sound like youre a madman. first off, i shower at the gym - im not modest but i dont walk around naked. i really dont care if someone caught a quick eyeful or if someone is sizing me up, etc.

and the other things you talk about - bathroom? taking a shit? i never noticed someone taking a shit and then using weights. is this that much of a problem? how would you know who was taking a shit?

if someone wanted to dry of their hair, their balls or their asshole - its their God given right to do it. lol. i say let people be free as long as theyre not hurting anyone else.

and about the ajacent locker thing - ive noticed that - but i write it off to coincidence

and ive never noticed too many dirty towels lying around. maybe u should speak with management about getting an attendant in there more often.

listen, ive  never heard of any locker room worker complain about nudity and they have to look at hundreds of naked guys a day. i just dont get it.

December 1, 2007 11:05 AM
 

Dave said:

I don't get what the big deal is either. Personally, I have no problem being naked around other guys in the change room, shower, steam room, etc. If anything I prefer communal showers over stalls as I find that stalls are too small, grungy, and I have to constantly turn the water on and off, so I can work up a decent lather.

When I was younger, I felt a little intimidated about showering around other guys. When I reached my early 20's I had to get used to it because my university had a communal shower and I was heavily involved in athletics. I didn't want to be sweaty and grungy all day. I usually didn't have time to go home and shower. It seemed ridiculous to me to do so when there were showers that I could use right there.

I'm now 40 (straight and happily married) and I really don't even give it a second thought anymore. I must have showered with thousands of guys over the last 20 years, and you know what? We are all packing the same thing! Do guys check each other out? Absolutely. It's more of a male competitive thing than a sexual thing. Are there some creepy guys who hang out a little too long in the shower area? Absolutely. You just ignore them. Who cares if they are checking you out? I have never had a guy hit on me in the shower, steam room or sauna in the last 20 years. It's an unwritten and understood rule in the locker room - you can look, but don't touch.

The guys who obsess about other guys being naked in the locker room are the ones with issues, not the guys who are naked around them. I have seen all of my buddies naked over the years and they have all seen me naked. We don't comment on each other because who wants to admitt that they were checking the other guy out?

I always laugh to myself when I see a guy change under his towel, or shower in their bathing suit or underwear. Do they honestly think they have something that no other guy has ever seen before? Again, we're all packing the same thing. Get over it! If you're that uncomfortable about it, stay out of the locker room and shower at home.

I hate that private shower stalls have become the new trend nowadays in gyms. Why should I suffer because some guys are insecure about their own masculinity and sexuality? Let the guys who are secure in themselves use the locker room and shower, and don't force your own insecurities on us. We are not ashamed of doing something that is completely natural and part of male bonding.

December 6, 2007 9:13 PM
 

rob said:

I don't think the original poster objects to nudity in the locker room.  He is just saying do your business and then get dressed.  While I am modest compared to many guys, I am not disturbed to walk into the locker room and see men changing.  However, what's wrong with wrapping a towel around you while coming out of the shower?  If you want to be completely naked for an extended period of time, a clothing optional resort/club is probably the best fit.  As to Dave, why should shower stalls bother a heterosexual man?  You should be indifferent to it as long as the gym does not reduce the number of shower stalls in the process.

December 11, 2007 11:17 PM
 

Tim said:

@marky: If I take a piss and wash my hands, and then see someone come out of the stalls (we only have 3 stalls) without washing their hands. I don't stake out the shitters and watch whether people wash their hands, but sometimes it's in my face and I can't ignore it.

@Rob: Precisely. As I've said repeatedly, this is not a sexuality thing. I think it's very clear that, fundamentally, "we all have the same parts". This whole thread is about common courtesy and etiquette, and in some degree hygiene. Sure, if you're comfortable doing so, you can stretch naked in the locker room or sit naked in the sauna. Does that make it considerate or hygienic? No.

I'll be writing soon about elevator etiquette, and similar lessons apply. More often than not, it's just selfishness, not thinking about the impact we have on others in one form or another. (And as I said ntohing about this is a sexuality thing...)

December 11, 2007 11:55 PM
 

Gary said:

If your that insecure don't use the locker room.  just shower at home change in a stall.  Thats why the locker room is there. its one of the only public places we're allowed freedom. AAAHahah i can't believe i just commented

January 31, 2008 7:45 PM
   

Tim said:

Gary, there's a difference between "freedom" and not being shy and being inconsiderate with other people's personal space. That's my only point.

January 31, 2008 8:12 PM
 

Joe said:

Sorry about your deep-seated latent homosexuality, Tim.  Please stop looking at what the naked men are doing.

February 14, 2008 11:24 AM
 

Steven Carr said:

I think I can understand the blogger's posting.  I have always found the locker room a very uncomfortable place.  I did not have to get naked in front of "the competition" (peers) while growing up (nor did they me) and, now that I'm married with kids, feeling fat and starting to go to the gym, I am back in one of those darn, awkward locker rooms.  My issue is I guess that curiosity might get the best of me, I will glance at somebody and then they'll think I'm gay and/or talk to people about it.  Personally, I am terribly concerned with what people say about me behind my back, whether it's true or not.

For whatever it might be worth to anyone else, it was reassuring to read the a couple posters say that they have noticed glances and accept it at a normal, straight behavior and maybe have even glanced at others.  That's how I think it should be interpreted but, until today, never knew what people really think.

I am sure a dozen men will now post saying I am a "latent" homo, in order to protect their own masculinity or to build up their own by an unwarranted slam.  I think the truth is that we all have our own oddities and phobias.  You may not understand the next guy's concerns, but you have to live with your own idiosyncrasies, paranoia, and illegitimate worries.

For all of you "I am too straight to EVEN understand your words" posters.... wise up and give 'em a break.  At least be "man enough" to try to encourage another man, when he's down.  Certainly, don't kick him!  There's a lot more to a man than his comfort level exposing himself in a way that is unacceptable in the vast majority of places.  Some men are overly concerned about their balding hair, some their income level and value of things owned, some their height, some their nasty yellow toenails, some their intelligence, some his www.hotornot.com rating, some his wife's rating, some his son's football or baseball record, etc.

Acceptance (and helpful advice) should be shown to all of us. Screw tolerance toward gays, women and blacks!  Acceptance should be shown to all of the worlds weirdos.

April 1, 2008 11:41 PM
 

Brandon said:

I must admit that I enjoy being naked in the steam room.  It is a time for me to relax after my work out, and who wants to sit in a steam room or sauna in wet trunks?  NOT ME!!  I am there to relax, not to check out the guy next to me or find a hook up.  Like most guys, I too check out the other guys to compare, if you will.  It is totally natural!!

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